3rd child and 2nd son of Catherine( nee Buckley) and Stephen Lyons.
1859 Born 21/04/1859 at 3, Trows Court, St.Johns, Southwark. Father was recorded as a wharf labourer. The birth was registered on 27/5/1859. Birth Certificate B3. He was recorded as baptised at Our Lady of Salette & St.Joseph, 14 Melior Street, Bermondsey , on 10/04/1859, having been born 9/04/1859, so possible he was not thought likely to survive. Godparents given as John Daley & Anna Riordan.[ maybe state record is wrong with its birth date] . His 2 sisters, ,Mary & Elizabeth , were also baptised here. ;http://www.findachurch.co.uk/churches/tq/tq37/ourlady/
Stephen[ & Mary] must have been baptised then in the original Webb Street Chapel.
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1861 Census . Appears as a 2 yr. old at 26, College St., Horsleydown, Bermondsey, with his parents and older siblings, Timothy,8, & Mary,6. Ref. S61.0.
1871 Census. Listed under surname "Lynes", age 11, living at 36 Brunswick Court with his parents.
1881 Census. Does not appear with his parents, Stephen and Catherine Lyons and younger sister Elizabeth. S81.1.. Have scrutinised 845 'rough' matches of his name, b.1857-1861, on Ancestry and still no trace!
1888. His father Stephen is admitted to St. Olave's workhouse as 'destitute', from 30/7/1888 to 17/9/1888. . Is he not in bermondsey, or has he quarelled with him or is he really unable to provide for him?
1890. Father Stephen dies, 1/03/1890, in St. Olaves Infirmary. Family, including Michael[informant on d.c.], then living at 3 Cross Street..
1891 Census.
Living at 2, Hanover Buildings, Horsleydown. Still single.
Catherine Lions wid. head 61 b.Ireland Cork
Stephen s. 32 Labourer Waterside b. St. Olaves
Elizabeth s. 27 Bookfolder b. St. Olaves .
Brother Timothy in Kinross Street with wife & 3 children : ref. T91.1 .Michael in Curlew St. with wife and his 4 children.
1892. His mother, Catherine Lyons, is admitted to St. Olaves Infirmary 4/3/1892 and there till 30/5/1892, reason given as 'own request'. On 10/8/1892 she is admitted to St. Olaves Workhouse, reason given as 'sons neglect', sons being listed as Michael of 12 Curlew St. and Timothy & he, Stephen of unknown address. She is discharged from there on 18/8/1892. Then on 22/8/1892 she is admitted to St.Peters House, Lambeth, run by the Little Sisters of the Poor - Catherine was living in Dockhead, & she was recommended by the Sisters of Mercy who were working in Dockhead at the time. Have both Stephen & Elizabeth parted company with her from after April 1891?? Catherine lives there for 10 years until her death in 1902.. Does Stephen then continue living with his sister Elizabeth[ who does not marry until 1898] somewhere? Electoral Roll books containing 2 Hanover Buildings 1891-2 do not exist
1892/3. From 1894 b.c of his son & 1901C, he seemingly married Mary Ann Magee who was born in Belfast[given in 1911C]. Cannot find this marriage in Ireland or England. St.Georges RCC has no record for it. No marriage found on BMD round about, just one in Chorley 1894- not him [think I got this once but now,Oct 2008, cannot find it]. I have searched all permutations of spelling of his 2 names! Have also searched for the marriage in Ireland. It could have been this his relationship / marriage ,post ~April 1891, that was the reason for his mother entering the workhouse & then St. Peters.
1894. Bernard Stephen Lyons born, 7/02/1894, at 11 Tanner Street Bermondsey, father Stephen Lyons, stevedore, mother Mary Ann Lyons, formerly Magee. Thus our Stephen appears to have married. Have b.c B21.The only Mary Ann Magee b.Ireland in 1891C is , aged 32, widow, servant in Lancashire. Also a Mary Magee 20, born St Leonards Sussex, servant, living in Croyden: seemingly too young and not born Ireland - so, I rule both these out!. This child not baptised at St.Georges RCC nor at La Salette. Would a search for Electoral Roll for Tanner St. show whether sister Elizabeth was living with them?
My thought is that there was never a legal marriage
1901 Census. Stephen Lyons, aged 42 ,b.Bermondsey, stevedores labourer, married to Mary, 38, jam factory hand, b.Ireland, with a son Stephen, 7, b.Bermondsey. Living 2 Elim St.,Bermondsey: this near Wilds Rents, where his brother Timothy was living. . This child must be Bernard Stephen born 11,Tanner St.Bermondsey, St. Olave, 7/02/1894 ; his b.c. shows his mother is Mary Ann Magee. Suspect her father was a Bernard Magee. Thus this family is NOT the Chorlton[south Manchester] marriage[wife here was Mary Ann O'Brien, from BMD ] of 1894, the only Stephen Lyons marriage on BMD 1891-1901: Marriages Jun 1894 LYONS Stephen O'Brien Mary Ann Chorlton 8c 1206
No mention of how many rooms.
Need to look up 11 Tanner Street 1892-1901 & 2 Elim Street 1894 - 1911 in Electoral Roll books.
I have searched the original marriage entries[on Ancestry] 1891-Jun 1894 and can find no marriage of a Stephen Lyons, nor any of a Mary Magee to any name vaguely ressembling his. Have also fed mispellings and various combinations into BMD search.
Perhaps Stephen Lyons married Mary Ann Magee in her home country, Ireland? But seemingly no legal marriage: I have searched - Pilot Site - Irish Marriages 1891-1895 and no Stephen Lyons marries a Magee. The fact that he is missing from 1881C suggests he could have been in the army: does the 1881C include Army details??
1911C. Stephen Lyons, 52, Dock Labourer, b.Bermondsey, living in 2 rooms at 57 Snowsfield [very near Our Salette Church in Melior Street] St. Olave Bermondsey with Mary, 48, charwoman , married 18 years,1 child, none died, b. Belfast, and Stephen 17, [no occupation noted on census] b. Bermondsey. The statement that they had been married 18 years would indicate a date of 'marriage' of April 1892-April1893.
Census entry from Ancestry.com?? Electoral Roll Books for 57 Snowsfield 1901-1914 & 6 White Lion Court 1911-1919??
1917. Dies 23/06/1917, in Bermondsey Infirmary, age 54, of 6, White Lion Court Bermondsey, a Wharf Labourer. He died of Valvular Heart Disease and General Dropsy. The informant was M.A. Lyons, widow of the deceased, present at death, same address. D.c.20 . He was buried in St. Patrick's Catholic Cemetery on 29/6/1917.
The age given on the d.c. differs by 4 years to the cemetery entry: the latter is correct. This is 'our' Stephen, 1859: he is next of Kin, in 1914, to son Bernard Stephen Lyons with address of 6 White Lion Court. This was off the eastern end of Snowsfield before it became Crucifix Lane . On my paper map 7.86 London Bridge Station. I do not know why the cemetery has the body coming from 4 White Lion Court: maybe that was unoccupied and the body lay there from the death.
Think his burial is noted in Dockhead ?? church records and he is buried in St. Patrick's Catholic Cemetery Leytonstone.
Need to search Relations Book for Bermondsey Infirmary, if it exists.
When does his widow die?- she also a Mary Ann Lyons,b.~1863 , as is Michael's wife, b.~1861 . Probably Dec 1920 LYONS Mary A 57 Camberwell 1d 585
. . . . Bernard Stephen Lyons 1894- 1947
What became of Bernard Stephen Lyons, b.1894 - he was alive, known as Stephen, 17, no occupation given, still living with his parents, no other siblings , in 1911C at 57 Snowsfield. . He joined the Territorials on 5/09/1914 and was transferred to the 22nd Battalion, London Regiment, the Queens, 680690. His regimental number was 2083. His character was stated as Very Good, vision was good, height 5ft 8 &1/2in.. Next of kin given, in 1914, as father, Stephen Lyons of 6, White Lion Court. He served almost 4 years in France, as a private, from March 1915 to February 1919. He was awarded the 1914/1915 Star, the British War medal and the Victory Medal. He was given 7 days punishment in 1916 for overstaying his leave by 1 day. Some of his papers, to be found on Ancestry, are water damaged, but even so, there does not seem to be a document that states when he received leave[ to confirm he came home for the marriage found below!]. http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/war_diaries/war_diaries_home.html gives the War Diary of his regiment. . His 1919 address was 73 Union Road ,Newington Causeway, but he had moved from there by July 1922 when his 1914/5 Star medal was sent. But still living St Olaves until 1930 at least. He, Bernard S. Lyons, died, Bermondsey 5c.95 in 1947, estimated age 53.
Electoral Roll books for 73 Union Road ,Newington Causeway , 1918-1922.
Stephen Bernard Lyons, soldier, married Charlotte Turpin, bottler, 1/6/1917 in St.Mary Magdalen C of E Bermondsey. Thus he has lapsed from catholicism! Marriage was by license, presumably due to fact that he only had a few days leave from France. His father, Stephen, died 21 days later!. Cannot find Charlotte in 1901C, but she was probably born Camberwell Dec 1894.
A Linda Richardson/Terri, Genes, thought her parents could be Matthias Turpin & Ellen Bryant; obviously wrong!
They had the following children:
Births Mar 1920 Lyons Doris M. Turpin St. Olave 1d 512
Births Dec 1921 LYONS Bernard S. Turpin St Olave 1d 304 . Likely marriage in Mar 1959, Wandsworth, to Maureen C Wing . 2 Wandsworth born children to this marriage: PeterB 1960 and Marie A 1962. No death for him up to 2005. Another possible, but unlikely, Bernard S marriage, 1943,Louth, to Yvonne Yarker. ??Killed 2/2/1945,buried Vanray,
Holland, see below.[ There was a son by this marriage, Nicholas J L Lyons Mar
1944 Louth]
Births Dec 1923 Lyons Patrick J. Turpin St.Olave 1d 266 . Several Patrick J
ms 1945-1949. Death Patrick Joseph,born12/11/1923,'Oct'1988 Sutton. Several Patrick J Lyons marriage possibilities.
Births Sep 1925 Lyons Michael H. Turpin St.Olave 1d 219 . Death Michael Henry
Lyons ,born 17/7/1925, died 'May' 1996 Southwark. No Michael H marriage. Could, long shot, be just Michael 1945 to Rose Bingham in Southwark.
Births Mar 1928 Lyons Reginald L. Turpin St.Olave 1d 207 . Death Reginald Leslie
Lyons ,born 6/1/1928, in Lambeth,'Mar'1998. Only such birth & death. But no unique marriage: 3 possibilities for just Reginald Lyons-without the L - 1954 one to a Wilson in Surrey mid east the most likely
Births Sep 1930 Lyons James L. Turpin St.Olave 1d 156 . And a James L Lyons
married Elsie E Ellen in Dec 1951 Cheltenham. Cannot find a unique death.
Have searched for all these on Genes Reunited & Ancestry trees in Jan2009: none. A shame, since some of these might still be alive today.
Tree for this family shown at bottom of long tree at top of page..
In 1975 a R L Lyons living 127 Stanley Road Carshalton in Merton phone directory.
Ignore the following- only infinitesimal chance of being ours!!
The above is almost certainly the Bernard S, born Louth 1921 and not ours born St.Olave. The Bernard S b.Louth had parents Harry Lyons & Alice Parish who married 1914,Grimsby, and brothers Harry, Leonard W and 2 sisters. Alice Parish was born Louth 1883 and a Stephen Parish had married in Lincolnshire in 1870!: so this other Bernard S. could well be Bernard Stephen!!! 29/12/2009 contacted a Melanie who has Bernard & Alice, Louth, on her Genes tree: no reply. April 2010 asked for permission to look at her tree!
The following are all the Stephen Lyons births in England 1858-1868.
Births Jun 1859 Lyons Stephen St Olave 1d 43 Ours
Births Sep 1860 LYONS Stephen Bridgnorth 6a 529
Births Dec 1862 LYONS Stephen George Alfred Bethnal Gn 1c 235
Births Mar 1863 LYONS Stephen Manchester 8d 179
Births Dec 1863 LYONS Stephen John Plymouth 5b 230
Births Sep 1866 Lyons Stephen Bury 8c 393