1891 born 20/08/1891 at 10 D Block, Peabody Buildings, Bermondsey. Possess the Birth Certificate B10 . Last and 6th child of Timothy & Elizabeth [nee Tobin] Lyons.
1901 Census. Living
at 9
Wilds Rents Bermondsey
Timothy S. 48 Dock Labourer b.Bermondsey
Elizabeth 45 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b.Bermondsey
Elizabeth 9, . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .b.Bermondsey
Josephine 12 . . . . . . . . . . . . . .b.Peckham
Helen 15 . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . b.Blackfriars
William J. 19 General Carman. b.Bermondsey
David Tobin 30 married Wharf Labourer. b.Bermondsey . Thus the family with 4
surviving children plus Elizabeth's brother, David, 30, once again.
1911C. Living in Southwark, aged 19, housemaid, with sister, Ellen , 24, barmaid, at a licensed Victuallers, 8 rooms, at Roundabout, St. Georges Road, Elephant & Castle. This thought to be the Pineapple Pub: photo on Ellen's page
1915. Elizabeth married John [Jack] Allen in ‘Sep’
1915,1d.332, Southwark and no issue. Did they marry in a catholic Church or in a Registry Office. Is he a Waterside labourer, aged 21, widowed Mother Mary Ann 59, living at Milton House, Leroy Street, Old Kent Road in the 1911C? They definitely lived on the first
floor of 21, Darwin Street , where her brother William lived with family on
the ground floor, from 1918- early 1924[ Have proof of this from the Electoral
Roll books for each year[ in Southwark Local History Library]] - and probably
from 1915 when they married. She was godmother to her nephew Len in 1917. Moved
to 3, Marcia Road, Bermondsey in 1924, maybe to look after mother, Elizabeth,
in her final days, or maybe they just took over the tenancy[ or the ownership?].
She & Jack were still there in 1939 [from Electoral Roll books, Southwark Archives] , but not by 1945 when the Electoral
Roll books were once again published , and no entry for 3, Marcia Road from
1945 -was the house bombed?. So, they did not live near Croydon [ as Hilda thought] until 1939 at the earliest. And, surely William could not have had too
bad a relationship with her from~1915 -1924, as implied by Hilda, ,as
they lived in the same house, albeit on different floors, for at least 6 years: but then, this itself could have caused bad feelings!!.
And she was the godmother of one of his children - Len,1917.
Quote from Philippa:" I remember mother[Hilda] speaking about Aunt Lizzie
when I was a child[1950s]. From my recollections she lived in a suburb near Croydon
with her husband for the rest of her life, close to Aunt Josie. I have a feeling
that her husband was a postman but perhaps I'm wrong. Mother gave me a small
diamond ring years ago which I think was Aunt Lizzie's. It's quite attractive
but not worth a lot I'd imagine."
1955. A death of an Elizabeth Allen with an appropriate year of birth, would seem to be in Battersea in 1955, estimated age 64: but this does not tie up with Philippa's thoughts of her living in Croydon. No deaths of correct age in Croydon 1950-1975.
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